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U9-H vs U1

Discussion in 'NEO U9-H' started by Erhnam, Mar 1, 2017.

  1. Ubiytza

    Ubiytza New Member

    mi box? $69? will it really support 10 bit via XMBC?
  2. WeK05

    WeK05 Audio Visual Master Specialist

    Just go to Kodi Hardware sub forum. You will see all 5 popular Android boxes that support 10-bit/Rec.2020/HDR10 output.
  3. Ubiytza

    Ubiytza New Member

    thank you!!
    starting to parse through...
    do you have a personal opinion of what's the best player for this is?
  4. rosebud

    rosebud Member

    What content are you planning to watch in 4K HDR using an Android box?
  5. Ubiytza

    Ubiytza New Member

    only 4K rips - meaning no need to stream amazon/netflix etc.

    P.S still reading through that forum, and it appears that devices that will play HDR, will still not pass metadata. (something to do with Android 7, hdmi 2.0a....)
    Also, i don't see anything that will do Dolby Vision as well, only HDR10.
  6. skynet

    skynet Well-Known Member Trusted Helper

    Have you tried with last XBMC version ?
    Kodi 17 stutter in my U1 because of framerate mismatch (no amcodec available so no automatic framerate change in Kodi 17).
  7. Safetyman

    Safetyman New Member

    I installed both XMBC and Kodi 17.1, as mentioned play back for 1080p was no better than the U1 using both, when playing 4k the play back via Kodi 17.1 was better but still unwatchable, when using XMBC the image did not fill the screen it had black bars all around.

    Using both versions there was significant judder and the audio was out of sink, when I play the same files on my U1 they play perfectly.

    I have a lot of 4k content hence I have reverted back to my U1 which I have had around 12 months.
  8. skynet

    skynet Well-Known Member Trusted Helper

    Can you check if TV's framerate match movie's framerate ?
  9. the0bone

    the0bone Member

    If you want to compare the U1 and U9-H (as well another S912 Box), please find here a table, that I also will use in my Review Video this week.
    NEO U9-H YT.jpg

    Following all of your comments my recommendation is:
    U9-H is currently on a status, where the U1 was at the same time after release. And I understand that, that Minix can't test all of the local Apps out there. There will be Bugs in the next weeks. But Minix managed that also for the U1 within a very short timeframe and released FW updates.
    So yes, the U9-H will go the same (I assume) way.

    Is the U1 still box of choice? On Amazon in Germany it is 40 Euro Delta - for me no! If I go in the HighEnd OTT Box region, I would spend that money. The plus in Tech, Speed (see benchtests) and the native features and Android 6 is it worth.

    If you like to safe money, go for the A2 lite and not A3.
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  10. MINIX - Ken

    MINIX - Ken MINIX Team Member Administrator

    U9-H current firmware maturity = FW011 of U1.
    We delayed the release because we spent months to make it good first.
  11. Villa

    Villa Well-Known Member Super Moderator

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  12. MINIX - Ken

    MINIX - Ken MINIX Team Member Administrator

  13. Villa

    Villa Well-Known Member Super Moderator

    What does that mean?
    Some technicalities were missed then?!
  14. Einsiedler

    Einsiedler New Member

    I returned my U1 because it had a issue with the antenna port i already posted in another thread. So i am considering now to get a new U1 unit, or to buy a U9-H, because it is the newer one, and costs not that much more that it would be too expensive for me.

    For me the most important thing is that the U9-H runs as good with Live TV as the U1 did. To be exact, i had the only good experience with the XBMC for MINIX 16.3. Other Kodi Versions, like the official one from the Play Store, didn't worked well, i got stuttering playback while trying to stream live tv from my streaming unit AVM FRITZ!WLAN Repeater DVB-C.

    Only XBMC for Minix 16.3 did the job well but only with the amcodec selected. In other Kodi Versions is could not find the option for amcodec, so is this a special option implemented in the XBMC for Minix releases?

    My question is to you U9-H owners out there: Is XBMC for Minix Version 16.3 also running good on the U9-H, or are there some problems i should know? Or any other reasons maybe to get the U1 instead of the U9-H? 4K playback is NOT important for me, so if there are som issues with 4K on the U9-H at the moment, that wouldn't be a reason for me.
  15. skynet

    skynet Well-Known Member Trusted Helper

    XBMC is running good on U9-H if you don't want to play 4K files.
    Also a new XMBC version is on the way ;)
  16. Einsiedler

    Einsiedler New Member

    Thx for your answer skynet :) That sounds good!

    Another question: Are older XBMC Versions like 15 or 16.3 are all compatibile to newer Android Version 6? Because U9-H is running with Android 6 and U1 is only running Andoird 5 .... or do all older apps and programs work with Anroid Version 6 if they also work with Android Version 5 and i don't have to worry?
  17. wrxtasy

    wrxtasy Active Member

    Live TV is one of the first things I test when putting Hardware thru its paces. With Marshmallow Firmware on the U9-H, there is no longer any Amcodec Hardware acceleration like I would normally see with AMLogic Lollipop Hardware like the MINIX U1 has. Also no Amcodec Hardware deinterlacing then either.

    U9-H Live & recorded TV test results:

    SPMC 16.6.0 with Mediacodec decoding only = (mpeg2 & H264) Live TV viewable BUT it is only Half Motion deinterlacing and not as sharp as you would get with Full motion deinterlacing. Its not entirely smooth either.

    For example if you were viewing Live TV with 25fps fast action ball sports and a ball was kicked - half motion will give you 3 or 4 repeated balls blurring across screen. For me that is not acceptable. :(
    If you still had Proper Amcodec decoding and deinterlacing the fps would double to 50 (turn on Kodi Logging) and give proper, high quality, sharp full motion deinterlacing.

    XBMC for MINIX 16.3.2 = even worse, stuttering playback, broken mpeg2 & H264 deinterlacing. No Amcodec acceleration available. :(

    Kodi Krypton 17.1 = Mediacodec only. Live TV = broken deinterlacing every second channel change & Half motion deinterlacing when it is working.
    Recordings have working deinterlacing but again it is Half motion only.
    Even Alternate test versions of Kodi Krypton (notsoshitty) only give Half motion deinterlacing. :(

    See this post for further Krypton test version details:
    http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=275083&pid=2574440#pid2574440

    Stick with the AMLogic S905 in the U1 if you want reliable, high quality, full motion Live TV & Amcodec deinterlacing. With AML S905 Hardware you also get the option to run a really good version of LibreELEC Kodi Krypton from a microSDHC card as well vs. an unstable LE version on the S912 U9-H.
    LibreELEC Kodi Krypton works really well for TV as you still get to use Amcodec acceleration. (y)
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  18. Dr Goodvibes

    Dr Goodvibes The Doctor

    I stream real time 1080i TV from my NAS using TVHeadend and Kodi 17 on the Minix U9-H.
    I don't notice any problem. I may need to advance the audio by a few milliseconds, but that's about all.
    I'll move a 1080p24 DTS 7.1 movie over to one of my bigger NAS and check that movie plays without stutter or audio breakup on Kodi 17.0

    All of this was fine on Minix X8H-Plus so wouldn't expect problems.

    MX Player Pro will probably get AC3 audio soon (fingers crossed) which means then I won't need Kodi.

    My router (ASUS RT-AC66U 80MHz 802.11ac) next to the Minix U9-H is old and doesn't support Cut-Through Forwarding (CTF) meaning I only get 670Mbits switched throughput on 1Gbit Ethernet, but still should be enough for the Minix U9-H.

    The considerations on the U9-H is it only has 2GB of memory(may be a bit low when running many applications, with some phones now having 4GB plus), low IO on MicroSD and USB ports(could be improved soon) and I'm not sure on the TCP/UDP buffering on the Ethernet port as FTP bits/sec file transfer doesn't match the indicated IO of the eMMC storage(easy to fix if identified as a problem), even with my crap ASUS router I should be able to get an 80MB/sec read from eMMC storage, but only see approx 45MB/sec.

    So no (un-addressable) show stoppers I can see with the U9-H at this time if 4K is not the be-all-end-all reason for your purchase.

    For me this box is a good stop gap until an 8K/HDMI 2.1 media player is released.


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  19. Einsiedler

    Einsiedler New Member

    Thank you very much for your detailed response to my question. That really helped me out! As i need the Box only most for Live TV at the moment, i think i will get a new U1 as i first wanted too, it seems the best deal for my purpose because of the full motion Live TV & Amcodec deinterlacing!

    AS i have to say i was really dissapointed with watching SD files like ripped DVDs or some files in resolutions like 576i .... the deinterlacing or upscaling worked very slow and it caused stuttering all over. I don't know if there is a way to optimize some settings that it is working better... my old WD TV Live Media Player has absolutly no Problems with SD videos and they run smoothly out from the box without tweaking.

    Live TV on the other hand worked like you said very smooth on the U1 with the used amcodec, i could watch any SD TV channel without any stuttering.
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2017
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  20. MrBig

    MrBig Active Member

    KODI runs perfect. You just have to go into the setup and match the settings closely to XBOX MC for MINIX.