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U9-H vs U1

Discussion in 'NEO U9-H' started by Erhnam, Mar 1, 2017.

  1. MrBig

    MrBig Active Member

    I don't think the memory has anything to do with it, as the specs are the same on the other 2 boxes. I see some people posting about problems with KODI andthe U9. I don't have issues, but I went through the settings on both the Android and in KODI and changed things. I also deleted or disabled any apps that I will never use, (which is most of them).
    As an example, I had playback, sound, slowness and lockup issues with my NEO X8 H PLUS. I did the same thing, I went through and removed my bloatware, and in KODI, I tweaked the settings until everything was perfect. The only thing I ever had to do after that was adjust the volume playback defaults to match my other device settings.
    So for everyone having U9, U1, X8 H PLUS issues, start with the android settings, using an app for movies or streaming, and make adjustments there. Then load KODI or other and go to settings and play with decoders and other settings. One last thing, internet speed plays a huge part. Make sure you have a fast, smooth internet connection. My Daughter was having lagging, freezing movies. It turned out she was on slow RR 10mbps feed. She called her provider and they sent her a new router and increased her dl speed to 100 mbps and problem solved. Another example of an overloaded box. My Son In Law had a U1 box he loaded with so much crap, it didn't have enough free memory to do anything. I removed all the add ons he did not need and disabled or removed all the unneeded apps. Now it flies and is very smooth. Just some food for thought.
  2. WeK05

    WeK05 Audio Visual Master Specialist

    Have you specifically tested deinterlacing performance (Live/Recorded TV) on the U9-H with Kodi 17.x?
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  3. MrBig

    MrBig Active Member

  4. WeK05

    WeK05 Audio Visual Master Specialist

    And you see no problem rendering interlaced content in Kodi 17.x? How do you get Live TV in Kodi?
  5. MrBig

    MrBig Active Member

    No problems, I get live TV from 3 different addons. I'll post them if it is not against rules to post them. Let me mention I am fiber optic 100/100, with full Gigabit access throughout my network. My speed tests are constantly over 100 mbps up and down.
  6. WeK05

    WeK05 Audio Visual Master Specialist

    I don't have much experience with these "addons", but I can say that it is very unlikely that they are actually streaming interlaced content. It is more likely to be in progressive format. May be another user can chime in.

    What does Kodi info screen report?
  7. wrxtasy

    wrxtasy Well-Known Member

    Well you are not actually testing Live OTA TV then are you ?

    I too doubt the streams from IPTV Addons are interlaced either.
    Kodi 17.x de-interlacing, using PVR's is unreliable and broken across all Android Kodi Krypton platforms.

    Those of us testing Live TV are doing so using something like a TvHeadend server with Kodi's associated PVR client.
  8. MrBig

    MrBig Active Member

    I have fully tested and tweaked settings on every box I have owned. As a matter of fact my company professionally Alpha and Beta tests many brands of electronics and software. So your question is a moot point.
    I have not found issues with PVRs, other than the solved issues with early KODI 17. As of now there is none for me. If there is one for you, I suggest search online for how to properly setup KODI 17 for Live TV streams, specifically interlace, frame and buffering settings. I have had to customize every Android box or computer, that I have ever setup KODI on, in order to have smooth video playback of anything.
    Let me add if your box is lagging and appears to be running slow, which can also cause irratic streaming, chances are you have way more addons than your box's memory can handle. Uninstalling similar and unneeded addons will result in your device running smoother and faster.
  9. MrBig

    MrBig Active Member

    Some FYI for TVHeadend users:
    Right from TEAM-KODI developer's thread. "TVHeadend is buggy with new Android builds and KODI 17. Try a "notsoshitty" build from the mirrors, please. disable Hardware Acceleration - Mediacodec with Mediacodec (Surface) enabled." They said they are not going to fix the issue in KODI because it will affect many other platforms. So they will continue to create new builds of the "notsoshitty" build. Hopefully this solves your problem.
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  10. WeK05

    WeK05 Audio Visual Master Specialist

    Can't say which question you are referring to.

    You may have not found issues with PVR in Kodi 17.x, but it is a fact that there are known issues with PVR and Live TV streaming (interlaced) in Kodi 17.x. The "notsoshitty" build that you have mentioned specifically addresses one of those issues. The point that we were trying to make was there are some known issues with PVR, Live TV streaming (interlaced) in Kodi 17.x on Android platforms. This is accentuated in Amlogic devices with Android Marshmallow/Nougat firmware due to the lack of amcodec acceleration.

    FYI: @wrxtasy is a LibreELEC Kodi developer and also a very active moderator on Kodi forum. So, he may know a thing or two that I and many others may not be aware of.
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2017
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  11. MrBig

    MrBig Active Member

    Your Question "Well you are not actually testing Live OTA TV then are you ?"

    I'm not arguing the fact that there are known issues with PVR, Live TV streaming (interlaced) in Kodi 17.x on Android platform. The fact is only some people are having those issues, while others aren't. That tells me it is a configuration, codec, speed, maybe even HDMI problem. De-interlacing is the most common fix. If some of the PVRs you are using have known issues with KODI 17, find one that doesn't. Buffering, Interlacing, frame rate can all be custom configured. Have you tried KODI 17 (AMLOGIC version)? It is available for download and many are saying it works good with PVR and Live TV. I'm not trying to argue with anyone. And it's not my fault you can't get it working correctly. I am trying to help. So please post your KODI video, PVR and Live TV settings and maybe we can help.
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2017
  12. wrxtasy

    wrxtasy Well-Known Member

    Sorry but you are wrong. Its Kodi 17.x code itself that has broken deinterlacing with Interlaced LiveTV PVR usage. That means ALL Android Kodi Krypton users are affected.
    AMLogic's Mediacodec implementation (U9-H) simply is not Hardware deinterlacing properly on any Kodi 17.x Krypton version vs Amcodec (Jarvis) deinterlacing you would find on the U1.
    Even the notsoshitty hacky builds using Mediacodec only - produce half motion deinterlacing and video playback is not smooth either.

    This is Interlaced Live TV - not IPTV PVR Kodi services that are 99% progressive scan Video. The two are completely different.

    Please point me to a Kodi v17 Krypton version that has Amcodec Hardware acceleration as an option ?
    Then after you have come up empty handed you might realise Amcodec Hardware acceleration hacky code has been remove from Kodi 17.x Krypton:

    Click here to read - Welcome to Android MediaCodec standards

    Yes I might know a bit about Kodi and deinterlacing after having implemented a DVD / TV - mpeg2 SD content - YADIF(2x) deinterlacing workaround for some AML Kodi Jarvis Android / LibreELEC software releases.
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2017
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  13. wrxtasy

    wrxtasy Well-Known Member

    DVD's (480/576) use the mpeg2 compression standard with video wrapped up in a .vob container, some have Interlaced content...
    The following will give you high quality video output of such Interlaced content, using YADIF(2x) Software deinterlacing:

    SPMC 16.6.0 > Settings > Video Acceleration > Accelerate mpeg2 > HD and Up

    When DVD or 480/576i TV (SD content) is playing go into the:
    Onscreen display > Video Settings > Deinterlace Method > YADIF (2x)
    Then down the bottom > Set as default for all videos.

    Note: I could not find the YADIF(2x) setting in XBMC for MINIX.

    Last edited: Apr 24, 2017
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  14. MrBig

    MrBig Active Member

    You are beating a dead horse. I have no problems with Interlaced Live TV on my MINIX U9. Did I have to configure it differently? Of course. We are talking new hardware, new firmaware and I installed the latest KODI 17. Mine is smooth with no anomalies. Soy your statement "ALL android Kodi Krypton users are affected" is untrue. You will find different settings for KODI 17 with Andriod 5 vs. Andriod 6. Since recent updates many addons no longer work.

    I know they are completely different. You are dwelling on that fact. Again I have no problems with "Interlaced Live TV". Let's face it you have not done your research. If you have, it would be working.

    WOW insults again. Since I'm wrong, and you are insulting, you can start reading here http://kodi.wiki/view/Android FAQ, or do your own homework and find it yourself.

    Configuring your own system means nothing. Your point has been made that YOU can't configure your MINIX box so post your settings and maybe one of us can find out why YOU are having this issue. And stop pointing the blame. I have read the problems with some other users of the U9 model. My U9 is working flawlessly. I've configured, PVRs with Interlaced Live TV, Live TV, SAMBA server, SD cards, External 5 TB hard drive, NETFLIX, Amazon Prime, any wireless keyboard, movies, TV YouTube, surround sound, and the list goes on, with no problems, lags, buffering, tiling, etc. I'm absolutely sure I'm not the only one. Make sure, if you have not done so, you update your firmware.
  15. Einsiedler

    Einsiedler New Member

    Thank you, i will try this immediately when my new U1 will arrive, that will be tomorrow or day after tomorrow. I will reply than how your settings worked for me!
  16. WeK05

    WeK05 Audio Visual Master Specialist

    Is this some configuration that no one else knows except you? Just like your magic configuration that makes SAMBA server work on the U9-H which MINIX has now confirmed to be an issue with permissions and is being solved with a firmware update.

    If you are not seeing any issue with interlaced content playback, then good for you, but that doesn't negate the fact that there are known issues with Kodi Krypton and MediaCodec rendering.
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  17. 9800pro

    9800pro Active Member

    MrBig, keep it down please, no need for attitude like this.
    Let's get something clear here, what is your interlaced Live TV source?
    Only by knowing this we can get some conclusions.
    It's not enough to say "for me it's working", you need to elaborate on that.
    After all this is public forum so we can help each other.
  18. MrBig

    MrBig Active Member

    Sorry I will not keep it down when someone insults me. And who made you a moderator? I was trying to help and got accused of not knowing what I'm doing. So now do like you should do, as I did, and research the internet. I'm done on this thread, until I receive apologies.(y)
  19. MrBig

    MrBig Active Member

    You hit the nail on the head. For the record, I can stream interlaced and my SAMBA server has been working fine, as did the administrator's, before this recent update. So you just called him a liar as well. I have not even updated my firmware yet and my box is working without issues. Factory reset your box and set it up before loading KODI 17 and any add ons. And be careful what repository you use as some make changes you don't want or need. As mentioned above, I'm done on this thread until you and the other dude apologizes to me. You don't want my help anyway. You just want to keep posting negative accusations when you really have no clue.
  20. kingsizept

    kingsizept Member

    Relax People and Peace&Love!!!